UFO whistleblower David Grusch recently had an in-depth, nearly three-hour interview with Joe Rogan’s podcast. Near the end of their discussion, Grusch opened up about the main reason why officials are still intent on keeping the truth about UFOs a secret.
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UFOs Are Still a Secret Because of White Collar Crime Concerns, Grusch Shared
Grusch garnered national attention when he revealed allegations that the U.S. has a secret UAP retrieval and reverse-engineering program hidden from congressional oversight. Since then, he has testified before the House Oversight Committee, and is ready to share more details in SCIFs as appropriate.
In his interview with Joe Rogan, Grusch explained why, in his opinion, the truth about UAPs hasn’t yet been publicly disclosed. The insight came near the end of the interview, at around the 2:35:01 mark.
“I talked to some individuals that were in an informal session for a previous administration on ‘should we disclose or not?’ for a certain former President,” Grusch said. “‘And really insightful what they told me. And one of the biggest impasses to disclosure wasn’t the ontological shock from a socio-economic or theological perspective. It was: Well, there’s some white-collar crime we violated — the federal acquisition regulations. We sole sourced this work to some big companies for decades. Contractors are going to litigate this to the Supreme Court, saying they lost billions of projected income because they didn’t get the bid on the work. And it’s going to be this … liability disaster for the U.S. government.”
Grusch said that’s why a “truth and reconciliation” process needs to be in place. Of course, he noted, people who committed crimes like murder related to UAP secrecy should still be held accountable.
“But for some of this stuff, there needs to be a process where we kind of mitigate some of those unfortunate legal issues,” Grusch said. “But that was one of the main issues, a certain group for a reasonably recent administration came up with and advised that president. ‘Hey, look, there’s going to be a lot of Supreme Court stuff. Let’s not be that guy.'”
Grusch admitted this was not a good excuse.
“So it’s like, that’s the barrier? That’s the reason?” Grusch commented. “Come on. It’s so ridiculous.”
He Added That Admitting the Government Can’t Protect Its Citizens from Aliens Could Also Be Tough to Disclose
Another issue, Grusch added, is that disclosure would be tantamount to “the government admitting that we can’t protect its citizenry.”
“These non-human intelligence wanna do something to you, sorry, we don’t have any counter measures to that,” Grusch said. “It’s like … there’s a social contract between the citizens and the government. We can protect you, etc… And in this case, it’s an enigma.”
Things won’t be easy, but disclosure still needs to happen, he said.
“It’s gonna be a little scary,” Grusch said. It’s not gonna be like, kumbaya, let’s move the shit to the Smithsonian and check it out. It’s gonna be, you know, this awkward… Things we’re gonna have to address sociologically.”
About 90% of What He Knows Can Be Disclosed Publicly, Grusch Said
During the interview, at about 45 minutes in, Grusch also noted that not everything could be disclosed, but about 90% of what we know can be shared.
“Some 90 odd percent of this should be open for public discovery, public analysis, and academia,” he suggested.
He added that by dropping the secrecy, more experts can be brought in to study what’s been found, helping progress move forward much faster. He compared it to studying nuclear weapons versus nuclear science. Everyone can study nuclear science, but not everyone will have access to work on nuclear weapons.
“This should be like, at the very least, a true nuclear program such as nuclear physics, you study [at] any university,” Grusch said. “Nuclear weapons [are] classified… That’s really sensitive. We don’t need everybody to know how to do that.”
The U.S. Government Could Lose Supremacy If It’s Not Open with the Public, He Warned
Grusch also talked about the Sol Foundation that he helped found, Ryan Graves‘ foundation, the Galileo Project, and other UAP-focused groups that are on parallel tracks, which may help push the government toward disclosure. In the end, he said, everyone will lose out if the government isn’t transparent.
“If the US government doesn’t get their house in order here, I mean, you could have a uncontrolled disclosure events such that either maybe the non-human intelligence is like, ‘Yah, let’s do it,'” he suggested. “Or what if one of our adversaries decides to disclose and they become the Messiah figure on this and we lose sovereignty or national supremacy in that regard?”
He said that everything can’t just be disclosed without any plan, due to national security and collateral damage concerns. But they need to move forward.
“To hose guys — and I know some of them — and the individuals that hold the keys… this is a boon,” Grusch said. “Don’t look at it like you’re gonna lose money… This is a recruiting opportunity. Yes, you’re gonna have to let other people in the cookie jar. That’s how a fair and free society works.”
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